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Charles Grenot, Sr.

Male 1882 - 1959  (76 years)

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  1. 1.  Charles Grenot, Sr.Charles Grenot, Sr. was born on 14 Oct 1882 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA (son of Charles Grenot and Mary Vannier); died on 8 Apr 1959 in Orange, Orange Co, CA; was buried in Calvary Cemetery, Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA.

    Notes:

    Charles Grenot, Sr., 1882-1959, was a brick mason and worked in civil service for the City of Los Angeles.

    Buried:
    View Charles' Grenot's Find-a-Grave Memorial

    Charles married Louise M. Dupart on 31 Aug 1901 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA. Louise (daughter of Formidor Martial Dupart and Amelie B. Smith) was born on 17 Sep 1881 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 4 Jan 1948 in Los Angeles Co, CA. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. Frederick Joseph Grenot, Sr. was born on 19 Mar 1902 in Orleans Parish, LA; died on 19 Mar 1950 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA; was buried in Calvary Cemetery, Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA.
    2. Grace Grenot was born on 17 Nov 1904 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 15 Oct 1946 in Norwalk, Los Angeles Co, CA; was buried on 19 Oct 1946 in Holy Cross Cemetery, Culver City, Los Angeles Co, CA.
    3. Charles Grenot, Jr. was born on 30 Oct 1905 in LA; died on 16 Oct 1976 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA.
    4. Herbert Grenot was born on 8 Dec 1908 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 29 Mar 1992 in Montebello, Los Angeles Co, CA.
    5. Leo Grenot was born on 16 Sep 1916 in CA; died on 19 Nov 1992 in Irvine, Orange Co, CA; was buried in Riverside National Cemetery, Riverside, Riverside Co, CA.
    6. May Grenot was born on 15 Apr 1919 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA; died on 13 Jan 1979 in Norwalk, Los Angeles Co, CA.
    7. Warren Grenot was born on 5 Mar 1922 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA; died on 12 May 1988 in Los Angeles Co, CA.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Charles Grenot was born in Oct 1854 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA (son of Charles Washington Grenaut and Octavie Deruize); died on 27 Apr 1904 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.

    Notes:

    Name:
    Charles' name on the marriage license is Grenaut like his father, but on the marriage certificate it is given as Grenot.

    Charles married Mary Vannier on 7 Nov 1881 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA. Mary (daughter of Jacob Vannier and Madeleine Fernandez) was born est Apr 1857 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 19 Jan 1922 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA; was buried on 21 Jan 1922 in Calvary Cemetery, Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA. [Group Sheet]


  2. 3.  Mary Vannier was born est Apr 1857 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA (daughter of Jacob Vannier and Madeleine Fernandez); died on 19 Jan 1922 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA; was buried on 21 Jan 1922 in Calvary Cemetery, Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA.

    Notes:

    Per the 1920 census in Huntington Park, CA, Mary had a sister, sister-in-law or aunt (by marriage) named Elizabeth Vanier; who was living with Mary's son, Charles Grenot (with wife Louise and children). The records lists Aunt Elizabeth Vanier.

    Per the 1900 census in New Orleans, LA, Mary's father was from Germany, while her mother was from Louisiana.

    Birth:
    Although Mary's death certificate says she was born in NJ (according to the recollection of Cornelia Grenot), other records of her life indicate she was born in LA. The death certificate indicates she was born in 1857, contrary to the 1900 Census which gives Apr 1860. Since her father died in 1859, the 1857 estimate is more likely. Additionally, her father Jacob Vannier (descendant of the German-spelled Wannier family), also shown in her death certificate as born in NJ, was born in Steinweiler in Germany. Both his father and grandfather were mayors of Steinweiler. (Steinweiler information source: S18)

    Children:
    1. 1. Charles Grenot, Sr. was born on 14 Oct 1882 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 8 Apr 1959 in Orange, Orange Co, CA; was buried in Calvary Cemetery, Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA.
    2. Camillia Grenot was born on 26 Aug 1884 in Orleans Parish, LA.
    3. Frank Grenot was born on 25 Jul 1888 in Orleans Parish, LA.
    4. Lovell Louis Grenot was born on 20 Mar 1892 in Orleans Parish, LA.
    5. Mercedes Grenot was born on 30 May 1893 in Orleans Parish, LA.
    6. Unnamed Child 1 of 2 Grenot was born in in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died in in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.
    7. Unnamed Child 2 of 2 Grenot was born in in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died in in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Charles Washington Grenaut was born est 1814 in LA (son of Francois Casimir Grenot and Seraphine Mercier); died in Betw 1866-1870.

    Notes:

    Name:
    As long as this notice exists, I do not have certain documentation for the following and assumptions have been used to establish relationships that make some sort of sense. These children all show in the 1870 census, living with Octavie. From census and city directory information, it appears that Charles' two most recent widows, (3)Octavie and (4)Marie, shared in the care of all of Charles' children who were not yet out on their own and at different times, each of these two widows lived with Charles (b.1854) and near his siblings (which children were more established). — See explanation by each child below
       • It appears that Charles Washington Grenot died between 1866 (birth of the youngest child of those children which indications suggest are his) and the 1870 census. I don't have any census for any year that shows Charles at all.
       • dau: Marie b.1853 is probably child of Octavie as she was born just before son Charles.
       • son: Seraphin b.1855 living with Octavie is probably child of Octavie.
       • son: Octave b.1867 is adopted by Octavie. Parents unknown.
       • son: Joseph b.1859 is probably child of Marie as she married Charles in 1857.
       • dau: Stella b.1862 is probably child of Marie as she married Charles in 1857.
       • dau: Bertha b.1865 is probably child of Marie as she married Charles in 1857.
       • dau: Maria b.1866 is probably child of Marie as she married Charles in 1857.

    Died:
    • Charles does not show in the 1870 or 1880 censuses.
    • His 3rd Wife, Octavie, was listed as widow in the 1900 census of New Orleans and she is living with Charles (son born 1854) on White Street.
    • His 4th Wife, Marie, was listed as widow in Soards' 1885 Directory (of New Orleans) and in this earlier listing, Marie is also living with Charles (stepson born 1854) on St. Philip Street.

    Charles married Octavie Deruize. Octavie (daughter of Athemis Deruse) was born in Nov 1824 in LA. [Group Sheet]


  2. 5.  Octavie Deruize was born in Nov 1824 in LA (daughter of Athemis Deruse).

    Notes:

    Name:
    (also spelled Derusse)

    Notes:

    Married:
    This union is verified by the marriage license and marriage certificate of their son, Charles.

    Octavie Deruize Grenot adopted Octave Veyant. His parents are not given.

    In the same cemetery as Joseph Grenot, son of Charles Grenot and Marie Magdeleine Duvernay, is a grave for Henry Grenot, parents unknown, born Oct 1852, died 23 Aug 1853. This note is in remembrance of that child, who may or may not be the child of Charles Grenot and Octavie Deruize (according to his birth year). Joseph and Henry are the only persons name of Grenot in that cemetery (and also having a findagrave memorial).

    Children:
    1. Adolphe Grenot died before 8 Jun 1900.
    2. Rodolphe Grenot was born est 1851 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 3 Oct 1888 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 2, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.
    3. Marie Grenot was born est 1853 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 24 Oct 1938 in Orleans Parish, LA.
    4. 2. Charles Grenot was born in Oct 1854 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 27 Apr 1904 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.
    5. Seraphin Grenaut was born est 1855 in LA.
    6. Octave Veyant was born est 1867 in LA.

  3. 6.  Jacob Vannier was born on 29 Jun 1813 in Steinweiler, Germersheim, Palatinate, Bavaria, Germany (son of Abraham Wannier, Mayor of Steinweiler and Elizabetha Yung); died on 4 Apr 1859 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.

    Notes:

    Birth:
    (Prussia)

    Jacob married Madeleine Fernandez. Madeleine was born in Jul 1823 in LA; died on 10 Nov 1901 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA. [Group Sheet]


  4. 7.  Madeleine Fernandez was born in Jul 1823 in LA; died on 10 Nov 1901 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.

    Notes:

    Name:
    (also given as Fernandies)

    Children:
    1. Leonard Emile Vannier was born on 16 Nov 1852 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 18 Aug 1929 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA; was buried in Calvary Cemetery, Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA.
    2. Elisa Vannier was born about 1860 in LA.
    3. 3. Mary Vannier was born est Apr 1857 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 19 Jan 1922 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA; was buried on 21 Jan 1922 in Calvary Cemetery, Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA.
    4. Elizabeth Vannier was born in Nov 1871 in LA.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Francois Casimir Grenot was born on 3 Jan 1776 in Haiti; was christened on 18 May 1776 in Haiti (son of Jean Charles Grenot and Marie Jeanne Angelique Derouville); died on 18 Nov 1826 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 2, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.

    Notes:

    Name:
    (Francisco)

    Birth:
    The Maribaroux Plain, a coastal plain in northeastern Haiti (Isle St. Domingo) by the Massacre River (Dajabon River).

    Francois married Seraphine Mercier. Seraphine was born in 1786 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 20 Jan 1858 in Jefferson Parish, LA. [Group Sheet]


  2. 9.  Seraphine Mercier was born in 1786 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 20 Jan 1858 in Jefferson Parish, LA.

    Notes:

    1820, Orleans Parish, Francois Grenot and Seraphine Mercier are listed as the parents of a female colored child on 19 October 1820—Orleans Parish Birth Index, 1790-1820, vol.2, p.50

    1822, New Orleans City Directory, Orleans Parish, LA - Seraphine Mercier and Francois Greno (a seller of food and/or alcohol), lived at 195 Craps below Marigny—(New Orleans Public Library)

    1830, St. James Parish, LA - Seraphine Mercier is listed as a Free Woman of Color who owned slaves and lived between Esplanade St. & Canal Marigny—Journal of Negro History, p.9 — View Document in New Tab

    1842, New Orleans City Directory, Orleans Parish, LA - Seraphine Mercier is listed living on Bayou Rd. near Robertson St.

    1842-1862 Probate Dockets for 3rd Judicial District Court, Jefferson Parish, LA, Docket 1207 re Succession with cover dates 1842-1862, (File# prbt887.txt), Seraphine Mercier is listed as a Free Woman of Color.—Jefferson Parish Library

    Children:
    1. Laurent Grenot was born est 1814 in LA.
    2. 4. Charles Washington Grenaut was born est 1814 in LA; died in Betw 1866-1870.
    3. Marie Catherine Grenot was born on 19 Oct 1820 in Orleans Parish, LA; died in 1847 in LA.
    4. Francisca Grenot was born in 1822 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 1 Apr 1882 in Cosamaloapan, Cosamaloapan de Carpio, Veracruz, Mexico.
    5. Barbe Grenot died on 17 Jan 1843 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 1, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.

  3. 11.  Athemis Deruse was born est 1806 in LA.

    Notes:

    Name:
    (married name)

    Children:
    1. 5. Octavie Deruize was born in Nov 1824 in LA.
    2. Rosalba Deruse was born est 1836 in LA.
    3. Nesida Deruse was born est 1838 in LA.
    4. Josephine Deruse was born est 1848 in LA.

  4. 12.  Abraham Wannier, Mayor of Steinweiler was born on 11 Mar 1781 in Steinweiler, Palatinate, Bavaria, Germany; was christened on 11 Mar 1781 in Evangelisch, Rohrbach-Steinweiler, Pfalz, Bavaria (son of Johannes Wannier, Mayor of Steinweiler and Anna Margaretha Kuntz); died on 25 Mar 1834.

    Notes:

    Mayor of Steinweiler

    Died:
    (death place as yet undocumented)

    Abraham married Elizabetha Yung in 1801. Elizabetha (daughter of Jacob Jung and Magdalena) was born on 28 Apr 1773 in Steinweiler, Palatinate, Bavaria, Germany; died on 24 Oct 1870 in NY; was buried in First Presbyterian Church Cemetery, Succasunna, Morris Co, NJ. [Group Sheet]


  5. 13.  Elizabetha Yung was born on 28 Apr 1773 in Steinweiler, Palatinate, Bavaria, Germany (daughter of Jacob Jung and Magdalena); died on 24 Oct 1870 in NY; was buried in First Presbyterian Church Cemetery, Succasunna, Morris Co, NJ.

    Notes:

    Buried:
    G-43 Stoddard

    Notes:

    Previously presented undocumented information on this site gave Jean Baptiste Vannier & Marie Anne Cloos as the parents of Jacob Vannier. No documentation of this was ever found.

    Abraham Wannier & Elisabetha Jung (Yung) have been partly verified as Jacob's parents through DNA testing (per manager of Elisabetha's findagrave.com memorial). The 1860 census in Brooklyn, NY shows Jacob's son, Leon and daughter, Mary, living with their Uncle Charles just after their father's death in 1859.

    Children:
    1. 6. Jacob Vannier was born on 29 Jun 1813 in Steinweiler, Germersheim, Palatinate, Bavaria, Germany; died on 4 Apr 1859 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.


Generation: 5

  1. 16.  Jean Charles Grenot was born in in Paris, France; died on 5 Sep 1778 in Haiti.

    Notes:

    Buried:
    Records for Ft. Dauphin, St. Domingue, 1778
    Translation of death date and burial place: "Le Cing Septembre mil Sept 'ent Soixante Dix huit, ja: inhume Sans le Cimetiere de cette paroisse" in English: The 5th of September one thousand Seventy Eight and: buried without the Cemetery of this parish. The cemetery for "this parish" is the cemetery for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Fort-Liberte (Fort Dauphin). That cemetery is just southeast of St. Joseph's Cathedral. His burial then is outside of the cemetery proper.
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    Died:
    Old Map of Haiti showing Fort Dauphin (today is Fort Liberte)

    Jean married Marie Jeanne Angelique Derouville. Marie was born in 1736 in Haiti; died on 17 May 1816 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 1, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA. [Group Sheet]


  2. 17.  Marie Jeanne Angelique Derouville was born in 1736 in Haiti; died on 17 May 1816 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 1, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.

    Notes:

    In the list of "Inhabitants of Santo Domingo without land ownership and heirs of former settlers (1750-1826)", six members of the Grenot family are listed: Ann Marie, Charles Bernard, Anne, Marie-Jeanne-Sophie, Pierre-Ambroise-Isidore and Rose-Eleonore-Elisabeth (Grenot, widow Lapice de Bergondy).

    All Grenot heirs listed are just listed as "heirs", except the eldest male sibling, Charles Bernard Grenot. His listing reveals what the heirship pertained to: "Cafeteria. Farm Farm, AF: Derouville, A.N. Subseries D XXV 29" According to the legend of abbreviations, Cafeteria means owner of a coffee shop; AF means Family Alliance. Farm is not listed. However, it would seem to suggest a coffee farm or plantation.

    From the related list of "Settlers of Santo Domingo Former Owners (1789)", the following is found re the Derouville family (given as Deronville/Derouville): "Deronville [Derouville?], married Grenot Marie-Jeanne-Angelique 0 Candy. Originally from (La) Ronville near Wimereux (Pas-de-Calais) ?!; AF: Delamarre, Grenot, Legrand". Also listed: "Lapice, dit Bergondy [Lapice de Chateauriant?] Pierre-Michel 0 Cafeteria. /Candy. AF: Grenot", and his wife, Louise Demie Lapice, 0, heir."—Note that this Pierre Lapice (1743-1810) and the last legitimate holder of the title "de Bergondy" is the father of Pierre Michel Ambroise Lapice (known as P.M. Lapice, 1797-1884).
    —— Lists at: https://www.domingino.de/stdomin/index_colons_a_z.html

    NOTE: Although the author of these lists was unclear about the surnames as La Ronville versus, Derouville (de Rouville), a look at modern maps shows that Rouville is in Normandy, while La Ronville is far to the north and not in Normandy. The history of the Lapice family says that they were descended from a noble family in Normandy...which agrees with their being allied with the Derouville family at least partly through marriage into the Grenot family.

    Birth:
    (variously Mariharoux, St. Dominque, Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic)

    Children:
    1. Charles Bernard Grenot was born in 1757.
    2. Pierre Ambroise Isidore Grenot was born in in Haiti.
    3. Dame Rose Eleonore Elizabeth Grenot was born est 1761-1764 in Haiti; died on 10 Jun 1831; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 2, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.
    4. Jean Pierre Grenot was born on 9 Apr 1767 in Haiti.
    5. Maria Margarita Grenot was born in 1767; died in 1810.
    6. Marie Jeanne Sophie Grenot was born on 2 Feb 1769 in Haiti; died on 23 Jun 1830 in Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 2, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.
    7. 8. Francois Casimir Grenot was born on 3 Jan 1776 in Haiti; was christened on 18 May 1776 in Haiti; died on 18 Nov 1826 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 2, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.
    8. Annette Grenot was born in in Haiti; died on 12 May 1837 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 1, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.
    9. Unnamed daughter of Jean Charles Grenot was born in in Haiti; died in in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in 1838 in St. Louis Cemetery No. 1, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.

  3. 24.  Johannes Wannier, Mayor of Steinweiler was born on 8 Sep 1756 in Steinweiler, Germersheim, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany; was christened on 12 Sep 1756 in Evangelisch, Rohrbach-Steinweiler, Pfalz, Bavaria (son of Johannes Wannier and Maria Elizabeth Pfiester); died on 15 Jul 1811 in Steinweiler, Germersheim, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany.

    Notes:

    Birth:
    Deutschland, ausgewählte evangelische Kirchenbücher 1500-1971
    Johannes Wannier, baptism (and birth and parents)

    Johannes married Anna Margaretha Kuntz. Anna (daughter of Johann Nicklaus Cuntz and Anna Eva Cauerer) was born on 25 Jan 1745 in Kirchberg, Kirchberg (Hunsrück), Simmern, Rhine Province, Prussia, German Empire; was christened on 30 Jan 1745 in Evangelical Reformed Church Kirchberg (Kr. Simmern), Simmern, Rhine Province, Prussia, German Empire; died on 6 Jun 1813. [Group Sheet]


  4. 25.  Anna Margaretha Kuntz was born on 25 Jan 1745 in Kirchberg, Kirchberg (Hunsrück), Simmern, Rhine Province, Prussia, German Empire; was christened on 30 Jan 1745 in Evangelical Reformed Church Kirchberg (Kr. Simmern), Simmern, Rhine Province, Prussia, German Empire (daughter of Johann Nicklaus Cuntz and Anna Eva Cauerer); died on 6 Jun 1813.
    Children:
    1. 12. Abraham Wannier, Mayor of Steinweiler was born on 11 Mar 1781 in Steinweiler, Palatinate, Bavaria, Germany; was christened on 11 Mar 1781 in Evangelisch, Rohrbach-Steinweiler, Pfalz, Bavaria; died on 25 Mar 1834.

  5. 26.  Jacob Jung

    Notes:

    Name:
    Deutschland, ausgewählte evangelische Kirchenbücher 1500-1971
    Jak. Jung in entry for Abrah. Wannier, 1801

    Jacob married Magdalena. [Group Sheet]


  6. 27.  Magdalena

    Notes:

    Name:
    Deutschland, ausgewählte evangelische Kirchenbücher 1500-1971
    Magd. in entry for Abrah. Wannier, 1801 (dead)

    Children:
    1. 13. Elizabetha Yung was born on 28 Apr 1773 in Steinweiler, Palatinate, Bavaria, Germany; died on 24 Oct 1870 in NY; was buried in First Presbyterian Church Cemetery, Succasunna, Morris Co, NJ.


Generation: 6

  1. 48.  Johannes Wannier was born in 1719 (son of Abraham Wannier and Anna Maria Margaretha Dorst); died on 4 Aug 1795 in Steinweiler, Germersheim, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany.

    Johannes married Maria Elizabeth Pfiester on 4 Feb 1744 in Rohrbach, Bergzabern, Bavaria, Germany. Maria was born in 1719. [Group Sheet]


  2. 49.  Maria Elizabeth Pfiester was born in 1719.
    Children:
    1. 24. Johannes Wannier, Mayor of Steinweiler was born on 8 Sep 1756 in Steinweiler, Germersheim, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany; was christened on 12 Sep 1756 in Evangelisch, Rohrbach-Steinweiler, Pfalz, Bavaria; died on 15 Jul 1811 in Steinweiler, Germersheim, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany.

  3. 50.  Johann Nicklaus Cuntz

    Johann married Anna Eva Cauerer in 1728 in Biebern, Simmern, Rhine Province, Prussia, Germany. [Group Sheet]


  4. 51.  Anna Eva Cauerer

    Notes:

    Married:
    Germany Marriages, 1558-1929

    Children:
    1. 25. Anna Margaretha Kuntz was born on 25 Jan 1745 in Kirchberg, Kirchberg (Hunsrück), Simmern, Rhine Province, Prussia, German Empire; was christened on 30 Jan 1745 in Evangelical Reformed Church Kirchberg (Kr. Simmern), Simmern, Rhine Province, Prussia, German Empire; died on 6 Jun 1813.


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